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Hey, DOC Posts: 73 **5/16/12 9:58 am**

GO Mark Williams
1st David Griffis
2nd Wallace Sibley
3rd John Childers
ST Don Walker

WM Tim Hill
Asst. Phillip Thomas

Y&D Gary Lewis
Asst. Greg Baird

No Childers Please

Hey, DOC Posts: 51 **5/22/12 10:46 am**

The only comment I want to make is John Childers seems to spend money like it is going out of style. Tom Propes has his money under control. I could be wrong but these are the impressions I get. Of course, I am an outsider looking in.

Re: No Childers Please

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **5/22/12 12:14 pm**

Youth Department Facts

Friendly Face Posts: 302 **5/22/12 1:45 pm**

Why I have a problem voting for the leadership over the past few years of the Youth Department:

1. Youth Department was sinking before the economy crash

2. In the following years we have seen the youth department give away YWEA(states and missions), NYLA conference(youth specialties), and Teen Talent (Lee University)

3. We have watched as no fore thought was given and almost all the states are without a State Youth director

4. Promises were made COG programs, money was raised and nothing came of it. (Chicago and Baltimore)

5. Does Winterfest make money? If so what is is spent on?

Yes, all these fact seem general or un-pinable on one person, that is due to the fact we are unsure of how the decisions were made to make these things happen.

I know that EVERYONE hates the idea of a resume' or a clearing house to say who was in charge of what when things happen, SO we are left to guess who did what. I do not believe Madden, Abbott, or Childers is to blame, but one of those guys is to blame for the above statements. Who? I don't know, but they do.

Re: Youth Department Facts

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **5/22/12 1:54 pm**

Youth Department Corrections

Acts-celerater Posts: 813 **5/22/12 4:23 pm**

Bowtat posted:

Ok then...

Friendly Face Posts: 302 **5/25/12 10:49 am**

I hope this is not seen as a slam on the youth department leadership. I respect all of the men that have given of their time and effort to change the next generation to a spirit lead group. I do however have questions about what and how things turned into what they have. I have also contact a few of the men on the international board and asked them the same questions.

Would I have done the same thing as they have, more than likely. I am just asking that we consider what has happen, and not banish someone.

Yes, Teen talent is a youth department project that is held, hosted, and produced by Lee University.

Yes, they states are responsible for the fact that in the last four years there are no longer youth department representatives in their states.

YWEA is now world mission project giving. We give to projects that are already developed by the COG world missions. Children of the World is now the primary recipient of our YWEA funds. I don't mind this, but I don't like the fact that we are asked to give to YWEA and in fact it is just Children of the World. That seems to be miss direction.

The reason we now have a no administration rule is because of YWEA Chicago. There was a lot of well meaning actions that went to that giving project and plaining. While traveling threw Chicago last year I asked a local pastor were the "ministry center" was that I collected money for.

As far as the winterfest funds going to supplement the TOT, yes that is true, so that was not happening before the TOT cut or before the down turn in the economy? That is another reason I asked why was the youth department in the red?

Now we are trying to vote out the Ass. Youth Director? What are his responsibilities and who will do them now?

The international youth department seems to raise more questions than answer.

Re: Ok then...

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1338 **5/26/12 1:34 pm**

Posting my predictions again!

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1338 **5/26/12 1:35 pm**

PB: Mark Williams
1st Assistant: David M Griffis
2nd Assistant: Wallace Sibley
3rd Assistant: M Thomas Propes
Sec. General: John Childers or Don Walker

Some good picks 2ndGeneration

Friendly Face Posts: 198 **5/26/12 8:45 pm**

I agree with the possibility of many those.

Mine:

GO - Mark Williams
1st - David Griffis
2nd - M. Thomas Propes
3rd - Wallace Sibley
ST - Don Walker

Regardless of the final order, I think Propes will be the first new committee member to go on.

About John D. Childers

Golf Cart Mafia Soldier Posts: 2397 **5/26/12 9:26 pm**

Someone on here is highly misinformed. In Alabama, John D. Childers has taken that state out of the read in the middle of a terrible economy and with administrative cuts taking effect. He, and the state council, have had to make very tough decisions, and the state is better because of it. He is a man that can see way ahead of what is in front of him, and we would be blessed to have him on the EC. He has my vote! I don't know if the person on here is from Alabama, because I have never met anyone named "Actsfreak," but if you would like to come out from behind that faceless penname, we can talk.

Kyle Morrow
(678) 986-2791

Re: About John D. Childers

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **5/27/12 9:02 am**

Re: Some good picks 2ndGeneration

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1338 **5/27/12 8:09 pm**

My guess....

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **5/27/12 9:19 pm**

I think I'll go with:
G.O.: Mark Williams
1st: David Griffis
2nd: Bill Isaacs
3rd: John Childers
Sec/Trea: Tommy Propes

The Top 2 are "givens" but the next three could be in any order... and Don Walker could slip in and maybe even G. Dennis. And don't forget Wallace. Wow - we've never had so many real possibilities that I can remember. And then there's Doug LeRoy... I've admired him for 40 years. And I still think R. Lamar Vest has some great years left in him. Honestly, we have way too many great men of God to choose from (well, you can't have too many to choose from, can you?)

Hey, DOC Posts: 80 **5/28/12 7:48 am**

PB..Mark Williams
1st Asst...David Griffis
2nd....Thomas Propes
3rd...John Childers
Sec Gen...Bill Isaacs

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **5/28/12 8:09 am**

What about Billy Wilson? Is the impression that he is mostly involved with his own ministry and only holds his license with the COG? Besides that, he would be a great administrator. Maybe later.

Billy Wilson

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1449 **5/28/12 11:15 am**

Eddie Robbins wrote:

"What about Billy Wilson? Is the impression that he is mostly involved with his own ministry and only holds his license with the COG? Besides that, he would be a great administrator. Maybe later."

I think your assessment of Billy Wilson is correct. He would make a great leader for the COG, however he is fully vested in Empowered 21. I have attended 2 of his events (Regent University & Tulsa, OK). Those same event are being held worldwide. Every penny I spent on those 2 events was well worth the cost. I agree with your "Maybe later".

B. Cutshall,

Hey, DOC Posts: 54 **5/29/12 9:20 pm**

While at MIP commencement recently, B.C.'s name was prominent as an Executive Committee possibility. Seems that there is hope for a pastor to be on the EC.

Brian Cutshall

Friendly Face Posts: 219 **5/29/12 10:15 pm**

would be an incredible voice and presence on the committee. The only problem is who is gonna pastor his church?

My Picks......brace yourself!

Acts-celerater Posts: 704 **5/30/12 8:42 am**

PB: Ray Looney
1st: Mike Looney
2nd: Phil Looney
3rd: David Looney
S/G: Someone from the DHD at LEE

It would be so cutting edge and we could all just laugh every single day at the pranks that would be pulled each day at HQ's!

Anyone with me on this?