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Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/12/17 12:57 pm**

that's what the COG has done
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Re: Holiness believers ridiculed

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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/12/17 1:24 pm**

To be fair, I don't Charles intended to ridicule the pastor's wife whose photo he posted. I'd say it were a sure bet that Charles is deeply grieved by what is accepted in the CoG nowadays, and that he sincerely believes holy women should never cut their hair, shouldn't wear anything less than a full length skirt or dress with long sleeves and a high collar, and that they should never wear make-up or jewelry. Maybe a brooch, depending on precisely how old-timey he is.

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/12/17 1:40 pm**

[quote="Quiet Wyatt"]To be fair, I don't this Charles intended to ridicule the pastor's wife whose photo he posted. I'd say it were a sure bet that Charles is deeply grieved by what is accepted in the CoG nowadays

That is fair QW however the rest is a false representation of my views. The picture adequately represents my views about what is wrong in the COG and in 1988 I don't think the GA had any notion that there would be pastors who would dress like this.

I am not the legalist you make me out to be, though you were attempting to be fair with me.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/12/17 2:11 pm**

I think the terms, 'legalist' and 'legalism' are a bit ambiguous nowadays. Strictly speaking, legalism refers to the idea that one can (and must) by their own efforts at keeping the Law (works), be saved. In my estimation, most of the old-time standards were more to do with asceticism than legalism as such.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/12/17 2:23 pm**

Charles, if you don't hold to the holiness dresscode expressed in my earlier post, where do you (literally) draw the line on what is appropriate clothing for Christian women?

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/12/17 2:58 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/12/17 3:06 pm**

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/12/17 3:18 pm**

I'm just wondering how you came up with these standards.[/quote]

I was raised this way, never was exposed to the real old line holiness. These standards were the standards of Lee in 1970s.
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Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/12/17 3:26 pm**

the holiness standards began to wayne away in the 70s and went down hill from there.
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **5/13/17 12:24 am**

Reality About us Men

Friendly Face Posts: 434 **5/13/17 8:33 am**

Please excuse any grammar issues run-on sentence says or punctuation errors in my posts . I have three pins in my right thumb but thank God for the ability to do voice texting, voice emails and voice posts!

I believe the subject of holiness, how women dress and also how men carry themselves really needs to be addressed in the body of Christ. I apologize in advance if I seem to be picking on the women's dress but it is hard for me to tell if a man is dressing or carrying himself inappropriately. Fortunately I have only been attracted to women and I cannot even relate at times to why women think some men are good looking and some are not.

The women who post on this website offer some great insights and I will also be glad to delete this post if it seems like I am crossing a line in being too graphic on how me The women who post on this website offer some great insights and I will also be glad to delete this post if it seems like I am crossing a line in being too graphic on how us men think n think.

If I took the time I could come up with many scriptures concerning holiness and using common sense to consider if our freedom from depending on a high priest to enter into the holy of holy's lets us live in God's presence with no concern about holiness. We do know the Bible addresses the appearance of evil and also when Hebrews 10 talks about the assembling of ourselves together the purpose is to exhort one another to love and good works . Paul said that if eating meat causes my brother to stumble I will not eat meat. Jesus had much to say about those who cause others to stumble and actually brought that up right before saying if your eyes offend you pluck them out, if your hand offends you cut it off.

Years ago I saw a billboard that impacted my thinking. It stated, "I do not judge on a curve." Signed by God. Should we not realize something is wrong when Christian men and women are often carrying themselves in public in ways that the UNSAVED WORLD would have considered shameful 70 or 80 years ago? I believe the church in America has gone from the ditch of legalistic holiness no make up don't cut your hair Etc. into a ditch of liberalism that uses the don't shed to mail label in regards to holiness . Should we just set our standards based upon doing a little better than the world? If America follows the lead of some European countries and allows topless beaches with Christian women be fine wearing string bikinis ?

I was saved in the early 80s and do not brag about my past. I explain to my wife and others when it is appropriate that teenage boys and men in their 20s think about three things : sex, sex, and more thoughts about sex! I think God that I accepted Christ before the Internet age where the Temptations I have any type of woman would be attached to my hip on a smart phone. As a pastor who did clinical counseling in the past I came to the conclusion that many sincere Christian women and often pastors who were raised in the church cannot relate and have no understanding of the depraved mind the average male has, especially when the hormones or at those peak young age levels. I realize that pastor friends raised in the church we're not always angels and we're also given to sexual Temptations . However those that lived unashamedly in a lustful sexual lifestyle do have more issues to keep under control in the realm of sexual purity.

I can remember the struggles as a young man in my 20s living in a world that was nowhere near as sexually explicit in the early 80s as it is today. I remember literally feeling like Joseph getting out of beauty shops while I try to keep my salvation. My heart goes out to young men today because most people do not have a clue of what a young Christian man who wants to live for God and not have premarital sex has to put up with on a daily basis. Often men or women want but they cannot have so when a Christian man turns down advances he is pursued more than the salesman who comes in flirting with dirty jokes.

It was not legalism that made me get rid of my television back in the early 80s as a young single man. I realized at that time that I needed to do everything possible to keep images away from my mind. It was a refumge for me to go to church and be around Christian women who were modest. Yet I will be the first to admit that I was it tracked it to the ones who cross the line and had sexy attire and Church. It made me feel like a very wretched man to go to church and get wrong thoughts there . I actually asked several people if anybody had a frumpy aunt that can carry a tune because they kept putting good looking girls on the platform who dressed in ways that may seem fine to Older Christian pastors Who had a wife and hormone levels different than a 20 something .

I was raised with solid Bible teaching that taught me to spend at least an hour every morning reading the Bible, praying and being in church Wednesday night Sunday morning Sunday night and whenever the doors were open . Fortunately I had a couple mentors who were Holy Ghost marine types Who would just tell me that most things that would occupy my time if I am not in church we're not gonna draw me closer to God and I knew they were right. Please understand I share this because My heart goes out to young men who were in the body of Christ. Does anybody have a clue as to how if you are able to walk free from regular premarital sex?

Again please excuse grammar and punctuation marks as my right hand is wrapped up with pins in my thumb. Bonnie, Carolyn and other women often give us a great perspective on the female way of seeing things . If moderators are any woman feels I am being too graphic please let me know and I will gladly delete this post as I do not want to offend anybody . I am now the older guy with a beautiful wife but still feel bad for the young singlemen that are not in my position.

Re: Reality About us Men

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Friendly Face Posts: 434 **5/13/17 9:51 am**

I totally agree with you Cojak that's our life and mind our our own personal responsibility. In fact I have heard it said that often when pastors are obsessed with preaching clothesline messages with an angry tone in many cases it is because he is dealing with lustful desires and angry at women because of it.

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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/13/17 12:36 pm**

If a strict dress code would prevent men from lusting, there would be no raping of women in Muslim countries where strict sharia law is in place, and Amish and Mennonite women would surely never find a husband. Lust comes from within the heart of men (and women). Sure, immodesty can intensify and encourage lustfulness, but as a man who has always had what I would characterize as a very healthy sex drive, the only things I've ever found that really significantly helped control lust were fasting (water-only), excessive physical exercise, age (to some extent), looking away at first sight of a sexually attractive woman other than my wife, and regular sexual intimacy with my wife. I have heard that a vegetarian diet significantly reduces testosterone levels, but except for a couple of days prior to and following a fast, I have not personally ever practiced vegetarianism for long, so I can't really say. I do know that studies have shown that eating meat significantly spikes testosterone levels.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **5/13/17 1:24 pm**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **5/13/17 1:52 pm**

I'm all for modesty and preach same.

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/13/17 3:10 pm**

If a person testifies of having a holy heart and there are no outward demonstrations I consider that there are contradictions in their words and actions. (I am thinking you are a pastor preaching to baptized members of your church and you measure them by Biblical standards)

Now this will not work for you in Walmart where you don't know folks and you don't measure them by your membership standards. You should expect that your members as well as you will stand out in a Walmart crowd.
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