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Fear and control are at the heart of the concept of "tithing" in most churches that impose it on their members. You can spray a little whipped cream on the fear and control by paying lip service to "blessing", but the truth is: fear that churches can't pay the bills and the fear that people won't give out of love are at the heart of holding onto this control tactic.

We cannot buy blessings with cash.
Jesus paid for all blessings we have.
We access those blessings by faith.

Give by faith, give by love, not fear, not greed, not shame, not obligation, not habit.

1 Cor. 13:3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
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In a word, nope.
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As for me I do not preach curse nor do I preach fear. I preach blessings.

I still believe whatever one sows is what they reap.
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Before Tetzel, the Roman Catholics had indulgences. He just took their teaching on indulgences to an extreme.

I'm just imagining what if a RCC priest read or heard Luther oppose indulgences and wrote a message similar to yours talking about all the faithful church people who had given indulgences, arguing as if all the preachers and people who'd taught and believed it in the past made it right.

I'm not against tithing 10% of cash income, and I think it's a good discipline. Abraham chose to tithe the spoils of war. If someone wants to tithe or even give more, that's great.

I've also heard preachers teach that God only wants 10% and lets you keep the rest. That's not Biblical either. If you give 10%, and then see a brother or sister hungry and destitute of daily clothes, and have to give, does God's love dwell in you?

We shouldn't put a 10% cap on giving. The Old Testament certainly didn't. It required more for a lot of people. But we shouldn't demand 10% either, especially of those the Old Testament wouldn't have demanded 10%.

The widow who did not own land would not have any land to tithe off of. And I can't see where if someone gave her a little money, she was required to give 10%. But I can see where very three years she might get part of a tithe if she were in Israel.

And I'm not saying tithing is not for today. For those Messianic believers who live in Israel and eat kosher food, I don't see why they wouldn't collect 10% every three years for the disadvantaged among them that the Torah names. If they are farmers, and they want to be 'Torah true' Jews, they could still eat 10% of their crops in Jerusalem, or spend it for some really good food and strong drink like the Bible commands.

There is no active temple priesthood to tithe into in Jerusalem. Maybe this tithe will be restored during the time of the beast or the millennium. The time of the beast might present some ethical dilemmas for Messianics in Israel.

Doyle, when you read Malachi, do you really think he was talking about giving 10% of cash income to the local church and not 10% of the produce of the land of Israel to the Aaronic priests? Don't you believe they had literal storehouses near or in the temple, as opposed to bank accounts with church names on them back then?

And that passage about opening the windows of heaven was addressed to a particular audience at a particular time. The Israelites were not paying a real, biblical tithe. The audience was not Gentiles who were not commanded to tithe. The tithe went into the temple, not churches spread throughout Gentile lands. The tithes was of crops and things like that, not cash income-- as best I can tell. I don't see anything clearly about tithing cash being required, unless you interpret 'increase' loosely. That seems like a stretch.

We can apply passages like this, but we have to understand the context to interpret them properly first. And we shouldn't be prejudiced by tradition when we interpret them. If ol' brother so and so used this passage to hammer the church to give him 10% of their income, then that doesn't mean that's what the text really means.

And God can open the windows of heaven. He doesn't have to leave them shut.

What does the Bible command Christians about giving? There is an awful lot commanded regarding giving to the poor and loving our neighbor. We also see that God commands Christians to give cheerfully.

If tithing is required of Gentile churches, why didn't Paul, apostle to the Gentiles, explain it? Why are 'giving passages' like those in II Corinthians noticeably lacking any references to tithing? Why does Paul quote from Psalm 112 instead of tithing passages?
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