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I memorized James in the KJV when I was in A/G Bible Quiz in the late 1980s.
At the time, the KJV as I remember it of James 1:5 started off, "If any man
lack wisdom, let him ask of God...."
Now, Biblegateway, BibleHub, and a half dozen other sites I check say the KJV is 'If any of you lack wisdom...."
So I did some digging in Google scholar and Google books. I found an
William Jenks comprehensive commentary on the authorized version that
quotes it the way I remember it.
"If any man lack wisdom..."
Wesley quoted the verse that way. Spurgeon quoted it that way. An old
Jubilee Bible Society document quoted it that way. I found a Jonathan
Edwards text, with nice neat modern font, but a pdf, that had both quotes.
I'm not usually into conspiracy theories, though I've
considered a few (some kind of conspiracy with Kennedy, not sure what,
maybe the moon landing.) I am wondering if there is some company that feeds the texts of scripture to
online sources and book publishers that got it wrong. But what if some of
these online sources did decide to mess up the Bible. Do we really think
most of these online companies are led by people who love God?
Maybe this is just my memory. But if we have an eschatology that predicts that in the future, no one will be able to buy or sell without taking
the mark of the beast, do we expect that
the powers in charge will have accurate versions of the Bible online?
It would make sense to make sure we keep some paper copies of the Bible around in the future. We may not always have the Internet anyway.
The next post contains some links of the 'If any man lacks wisdom' version of the verse that I recalled from memorizing the verse many years ago.
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It looks like the old KJV versions say 'If any of you'. I could have remembered wrong, or maybe Wesley, Spurgeon, etc. were quoting out of something else that I got confused with the KJV.
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| Link, I think you are experiencing the Mandela effect. |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Link, I think you are experiencing the Mandela effect. |
If you mean groups of people remembering facts wrong the same way a percentage of other people wrongly remember them, maybe. Wesley and Spurgeon may be in the same group with me if that is the case.
If you mean a glitch in the matrix, alterations to the time line from time travel, or shifting between alternate realities, I don't think so. People or 'bots' editing pdfs of Bible translations is a more feasible conspiracy theory. Or the KJV could have had some other variants floating around, and I may have read one when I was doing my memorizing.
Another theory is that something about the typical wording of the KJV causes many of us to recall the passage wrongly, but in the same way. Even so, a Bible commentary of the "Authorized Version" with the wrong wording would be really strage if that were the case.
Be that as it may, going forward, it may make sense to keep some old paper Bibles around. Being internationally mobile, I've depended quite a bit on electronic versions of the Bible recently. But if I am dependent on large international companies that don't share my values to have access to the Bible, that may be a bit risky.
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I, too, learned it that way--but apparently not from actually reading the Bible, but from hearing it quoted.
Hmmmmm.... |
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| Aaron Scott wrote: | | I, too, learned it that way--but apparently not from actually reading the Bible, but from hearing it quoted. |
This is exactly how most all woffie teachings infiltrate the COG. |
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I like all these Internet Bible tools, but if society does start moving in a direction where people can't buy or sell without the mark of the beast, we shouldn't especit that accurate versions of the Bible would be online, provided for or supported by governments that would require the mark of the beast.
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: | | I, too, learned it that way--but apparently not from actually reading the Bible, but from hearing it quoted. |
This is exactly how most all woffie teachings infiltrate the COG. |
Well according to may Dake Bible:
James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God..."
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| diakoneo wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: | | I, too, learned it that way--but apparently not from actually reading the Bible, but from hearing it quoted. |
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Well according to may Dake Bible:
James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God..."
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Well, if Dake said it.... Just curious-- is it an old printing?
I'm pretty sure I just memorized it wrong way back when and never missed a quotation question over it, and that was it. I moved and started the quiz year late and had to rush to memorize the books that year.
Going from 'if any of you....let him' is kind of awkward. It seems like shifting from 'you' to 'him' when really, the subject is 'any.' That must have been awkward for preachers inthe 1800s to remember, including the Bible commentator.
But this did get me thinking, if we get our Bible information through Google searches and verify old texts through Google books, what would happen if they wanted to change something? Google has celebrated and promoted the LGBT movement, for example. Their motto is 'do know evil' but they don't seem to really understand what evil is. If the beast of Revelation is in charge of the Internet (assuming its still around.... Revelation mentions people using swords) then will online Bibles be a realiable source?
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Well, if Dake said it.... Just curious-- is it an old printing?
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It is a newer version. Given as a present to me 17 years ago. I certainly do not agree with Dake on many things, but I find his notes interesting.  |
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| diakoneo wrote: | | I certainly do not agree with Dake on many things, but I find his notes interesting. |
Glad you cleared at up, D. You know how on each page of a Dakes Anointed Study Bible they is 4 columns? The 2 outside columns is Dake's notes, the 2 inside columns is the KJV a the Bible. Well, they is a heap a Pennycostal preachers what don't know how to separate them 4 columns. They think all 4 columns is inspired/anointed. An as such, another stream of woffie teachin entered Pentecostalism. |
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| Link wrote: | | Google has celebrated and promoted the LGBT movement, for example. Their motto is 'do know evil' but they don't seem to really understand what evil is. |
Well, a person can know a lot of evil through Google.
In Biblehub James 1:5 in the Greek appears to say "you" not "man." But I'm not a Greek expert by any stretch.
All this reminds me of the Adulterous bible of 1631. Not a good edition. |
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I didn't research this the right way. I remembered it as 'if any man', probably because 'if any of you, let him' is a bit hard for my mind to tolerate. Wesley, Spurgeon and the guy who wrote the Bible commentary I read had the same problem, apparently. I looked for old references in Google scholar for the way I remembered it and found plenty, and posted on the topic. But if I had looked for the actual quote with 'of you', I find plenty of references to it on Google scholar as well from old sources.
Unless Google is re-editing really old printings of the KJV, then 'of you' is in those old texts, too. I don't have any reason to suspect them of changing the Bible.
But there may be reason to think that down the line, such things could potentially happen, if our collectively shared eschatology and understanding of the beast/man of sin is generally right.
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| A photo scan of the 1611 original AV (KJV)... |
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-Chapter-1_Original-1611-KJV/ |
Well, there it is. Thanks.
"If any of you lacke wifedom...."
I'm already married.
I'm trying to figure out the pattern with the 'f's. Was 's' originally a final letter for the 's' sound, and 'f' the letter used if it came in the middle? It looks like English spelling was even more messed up and irregular then that it is now, at least as far as that sound is concerned.
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