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Digital Communion: Arguments For and Against (L) |
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I Corinthians 10 speaks of one cup and one bread. I knew one church that had one bottle and said that the word translated cup could be translated vessel in Greek, and they poured it out of that vessel. Having everyone get their own bread and juice/wine and home... I'm not sure if that communicates and expresses the koinonia aspect of it.
I certainly do not want to see communion done by having an avatar that looks like you, then clicking on a picture of a wafer and a cup and the avatar takes it, or gets dunked for baptism. No substituting real church with sim church.
We could take communion with our families. _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 3/23/20 11:43 pm
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During war time marriages were performed by proxy |
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Why not digital communion? _________________ Doctor of Bovinamodulation |
Acts Mod Posts: 25305 3/25/20 1:34 pm
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Re: During war time marriages were performed by proxy |
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roughridercog wrote: | Why not digital communion? |
The article lays out very thoughtful arguments for and against, IMO.
The best argument against (again IMO) -- not receiving communion separately stirs the godly yearning in us to want to be physically together in community again.
Psalm 137:4-6 (ESV) wrote: | How shall we sing the Lord's song in a foreign land? If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget its skill! Let my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth, if I do not remember you, I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy! |
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 3/25/20 2:21 pm
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As far as church online goes, it puts us at the mercy of large corporations and the government. If our ISP or whatever platform we use or the government wanted to shut church down, they might be able to. There are plenty of corporations that call evil good that might want to block some kind of ministry that doesn't endorse certain forms of sexual perversion. I know a man who had an 'Anglican Pentecostal' blog that had some good, well-thought out articles in it (William DeArteaga who wrote 'Quenching the Spirit.') The site that he had his many blogs posted on shut his blog down after he wrote an article suggesting some homosexuals or transgenders (can't remember which) may be under demonic influence. If the satellites fall out of the sky due to solar flares or the magnetic poles move into the wrong place interfering with technology, that could be a problem, too. _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 3/25/20 3:40 pm
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There is no against argument that is valid... |
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The argument that one makes against digital communion is the SAME argument that one must use for digital church. After all, we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, etc.
But if a person is livestreaming or what have you, then it would be just as right, under such circumstances, to do a digital communion.
Or a digital altar call.
About the only hard thing to do would be a digital baptism--but I feel confident that Jesus would be just as pleased if, in a situation like coronavirus, a saved person dunked themselves, as He would be if the pastor did it. |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 3/26/20 8:43 am
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It honestly doesn't sound like any of you actually read the article. Just saying. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 3/26/20 9:01 am
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Patrick Harris |
I read the article and have some thoughts.
Our church is basically holds to a memorial view, but actually does communion each week as part of our service. To our church it's extremely important to have this time of communion.
However, we are still sharing that opportunity on-line and letting everyone know ahead of time that it will be part of our on-line service.
The biggest reason I see for it not to be done is merely Tradition and I say this after seeing a debate yesterday on twitter about "virtual communion" between mostly Reformed church pastors and ministers.
Honestly after reading article I can't a solid Biblical prohibition against having communion at home. For me it does not change the fact that I miss my church and wish to be gathered with them weekly and it doesn't violate any "Incarnation" reason or make it any less holy or irreverent if you do it as a family.
The whole debate online on twitter yesterday ticked me off to no end. It's merely nothing more than the whole "if you don't worship and serve my way you aren't doing it right". |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1323 3/29/20 10:15 am
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Dave Dorsey |
Thanks for reading the article Patrick.
I agree with your views. While I might not normally endorse communion at a distance, these are extraordinary circumstances where the church cannot meet in person. Absent a clear biblical prohibition stating otherwise, it seems reasonable to me to participate in communion in any way possible right now. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 3/29/20 10:50 am
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does Lee offer a Digital discipleship |
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The more urgent concern right now is does Lee offer a Digital discipleship course yet? It is the hot topic in several denominations with the stay-at-home pastors and the drive-through church right now. _________________ Imperium centratus delenda est
Just the facts
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Friendly Face Posts: 104 4/6/20 3:07 pm
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I certainly do not want to see communion done by having an avatar that looks like you, then clicking on a picture of a wafer and a cup and the avatar takes it, or gets dunked for baptism. No substituting real church with sim church.
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It almost sounds like you believe in real presence. Otherwise, what is the difference in an avatar doing something in a picture than church teachings of the elements as symbolic only? (I'm actually being serious since its something I think about a lot). |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 4/6/20 3:11 pm
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UncleJD wrote: | Link wrote: | I
I certainly do not want to see communion done by having an avatar that looks like you, then clicking on a picture of a wafer and a cup and the avatar takes it, or gets dunked for baptism. No substituting real church with sim church.
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It almost sounds like you believe in real presence. Otherwise, what is the difference in an avatar doing something in a picture than church teachings of the elements as symbolic only? (I'm actually being serious since its something I think about a lot). |
By an avatar, I mean having a video game character depicted as drinking bread and wine.
Jesus did say 'This is my body, which is broken for you...' When we partake, we are fellowshipping/sharing in/participating with the body of Christ. There are no such teachings about doing this with a sim.
I do not believe only ordained clergy can bless the bread and the cup or perform baptisms. Paul wrote '...the cup of blessing which we bless...' and Ananias, a disciple, baptized. _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 5/8/20 10:53 am
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Bro. Dave,
Did you find the article in liberal NYT somehow related to the one you posted? _________________ Imperium centratus delenda est
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Friendly Face Posts: 104 5/9/20 11:54 am
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Dave Dorsey |
Dr.Acts wrote: | Bro. Dave,
Did you find the article in liberal NYT somehow related to the one you posted? |
I heard about some article in the NYT but I haven't seen it. Got a link? |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 5/9/20 11:59 am
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