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bradfreeman |
From Tim Hill's "Tithe of Tithe" Special Message:
| Quote: | Those early church fathers rightfully believed that if believers
could be blessed by tithing, then a corporate blessing could also be on the local church if it also tithed. |
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?
Or are we blessed "if" we tithe?
Please provide scripture for your views.
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Even if you don't believe in tithing, the Word say we will reap what we sow. If we sow a little, we will reap a little. If we sow a lot, we reap a lot. This is even a physical reality. Do we want a 12 x 12 garden or a bumper crop?
I don't believe if you give $1, you'll get $4 or $100 back necessarily, but I do believe when you need it, God will see that you have it. He is faithful!
When you bless others who need it, the blessing returns to you. They even teach you in the secular world to "give back." When you give out of a pure heart because it is the right thing to do, God will bless that. It makes sense that it would work corporately too.
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Don't you just love that Brad is so concerned about the Tithe of Tithe?
The financial model of a church he is NOT a part of.
Hey Brad, let us know when you go to a church of England board or a Catholic board or a Mormon bulletin board and discuss their finances with them.
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I believe IF you look at Brother Hill you will find an honest man who is looking for answers. I do not know Bro Hill but I think that his message over all should be read as seeing his heart, not trying to decide by the possible wording (or mis-wording) that would never satisfy everyone. That has been proven here in discussions of the tithe. WE have COG pastors and members who Believe STRONGLY in TITHE. My wife is one member who think the tithe is REQUIRED, so since I would give that much and more anyway, I never argue. I know the money in most cases is needed.
We have ministers and members who give more than 10% and DO NOT BELIEVE THE TITHE IS NOW REQUIRED!
I do not know for sure my own self, I do know it is wrong to give to get.
But to the post, I firmly believe Bro. Hill's heart is in the right place and he is a man of God. Most humans can be cornered as to their English useage EVEN HERE ON ACTS where educated men (seldom women) misuse the English language....... Proven by one of the longest running Posts on Acts concerning i.e. yours and you're. its and it's!  
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| Re: What do you believe about Tim Hill's "if's?" |
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| bradfreeman wrote: | From Tim Hill's "Tithe of Tithe" Special Message:
| Quote: | Those early church fathers rightfully believed that if believers
could be blessed by tithing, then a corporate blessing could also be on the local church if it also tithed. |
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?
Or are we blessed "if" we tithe?
Please provide scripture for your views. |
Notice that he did not say that ONLY if you tithe are you blessed.
Notice that he did not say that you MUST tithe to be blessed.
Notice that he did not say that tithing is commanded for NT believers.
He wisely stayed within very acceptable parameters.
I love the song "Sweet Holy Spirit" which has a verse that says:
There are blessing you cannot receive
Until you know Him in His fullness and believe.
Anyone that tells you that you are already as blessed as you are going to be is WRONG. Or that nothing you can do will provide more blessing. The Bible says to pray to prophesy. Now, if that gift is BETTER than the gift of tongues, then we can SEEK a greater blessing/reward/gift than we had.
Likewise, yes, you can be blessed without tithing. But you can be MORE blessed BY tithing. Even if that blessing is nothing more than the knowledge that you are doing your part to support missions, that is still more of a blessing than the others got by keeping their money. |
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| Re: What do you believe about Tim Hill's "if's?" |
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| Aaron Scott wrote: | ....
Likewise, yes, you can be blessed without tithing. But you can be MORE blessed BY tithing. Even if that blessing is nothing more than the knowledge that you are doing your part to support missions, that is still more of a blessing than the others got by keeping their money. |
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| Re: What do you believe about Tim Hill's "if's?" |
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| Aaron Scott wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | From Tim Hill's "Tithe of Tithe" Special Message:
| Quote: | Those early church fathers rightfully believed that if believers
could be blessed by tithing, then a corporate blessing could also be on the local church if it also tithed. |
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?
Or are we blessed "if" we tithe?
Please provide scripture for your views. |
Notice that he did not say that ONLY if you tithe are you blessed.
Notice that he did not say that you MUST tithe to be blessed.
Notice that he did not say that tithing is commanded for NT believers.
He wisely stayed within very acceptable parameters.
I love the song "Sweet Holy Spirit" which has a verse that says:
There are blessing you cannot receive
Until you know Him in His fullness and believe.
Anyone that tells you that you are already as blessed as you are going to be is WRONG. Or that nothing you can do will provide more blessing. The Bible says to pray to prophesy. Now, if that gift is BETTER than the gift of tongues, then we can SEEK a greater blessing/reward/gift than we had.
Likewise, yes, you can be blessed without tithing. But you can be MORE blessed BY tithing. Even if that blessing is nothing more than the knowledge that you are doing your part to support missions, that is still more of a blessing than the others got by keeping their money. |
Thanks Aaron,
Do you believe we've already been blessed with every blessing in Heavenly places in Christ?
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Do you believe that, when we received Christ, we freely received all things?
Rom 8:32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
Did Paul, Peter, John or James ever pray that any believer would be blessed?
Do you buy blessing with money?
Do you grow blessing by sowing money?
Aren't we now the ones who "bless and curse not"?
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| Cojak wrote: | I believe IF you look at Brother Hill you will find an honest man who is looking for answers. I do not know Bro Hill but I think that his message over all should be read as seeing his heart, not trying to decide by the possible wording (or mis-wording) that would never satisfy everyone. That has been proven here in discussions of the tithe. WE have COG pastors and members who Believe STRONGLY in TITHE. My wife is one member who think the tithe is REQUIRED, so since I would give that much and more anyway, I never argue. I know the money in most cases is needed.
We have ministers and members who give more than 10% and DO NOT BELIEVE THE TITHE IS NOW REQUIRED!
I do not know for sure my own self, I do know it is wrong to give to get.
But to the post, I firmly believe Bro. Hill's heart is in the right place and he is a man of God. Most humans can be cornered as to their English useage EVEN HERE ON ACTS where educated men (seldom women) misuse the English language....... Proven by one of the longest running Posts on Acts concerning i.e. yours and you're. its and it's! |
I think you rightly emphasized the significance of a 2-letter word...IF.
If makes it conditional.
If, in this context, means there is an unfulfilled promise, doesn't it?
If you give, you will be blessed. If you don't, you won't is the clear implication.
If you think people don't take it this way, you're wrong.
If I say: "If you repent, you will be forgiven."
Many would quickly say: "If you don't repent, you will not be forgiven."
I didn't just pull a random sentence out of the message. This is the BASIS for the message...to see blessing. If you tithe, you are blessed.
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| Carolyn Smith wrote: | Even if you don't believe in tithing, the Word say we will reap what we sow. If we sow a little, we will reap a little. If we sow a lot, we reap a lot. This is even a physical reality. Do we want a 12 x 12 garden or a bumper crop?
I don't believe if you give $1, you'll get $4 or $100 back necessarily, but I do believe when you need it, God will see that you have it. He is faithful!
When you bless others who need it, the blessing returns to you. They even teach you in the secular world to "give back." When you give out of a pure heart because it is the right thing to do, God will bless that. It makes sense that it would work corporately too. |
Thanks Carolyn,
Sowers sow seed. Seed is the "word of the kingdom" according to Jesus. In the context of 2 Cor 8,9, Paul is encouraging the Corinthians to give to needy folks and expect a harvest for their efforts.
2 Cor 9:10 Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness; 11 you will be enriched in everything for all liberality, which through us is producing thanksgiving to God.
The harvest of our righteousness is "thanksgiving to God." The people who receive the seed God "supplies" us with will recognize God as the source of their help (without those who need help sowing) and thank Him!
It is not us who sow or labor (whether the seed is the Word or a gift), it is God in us sowing...apart from Him, we can do nothing.
Jesus plainly taught that we don't have to sow or reap, toil or spin to get our Father's care...when we need it.
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’
You rightly said we don't give $1 and expect $30, $60 or $100. If that were truly a church's belief then churches need to be giving to people, not people to churches.
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Don't you just love that Brad is so concerned about the Tithe of Tithe?
The financial model of a church he is NOT a part of.
Hey Brad, let us know when you go to a church of England board or a Catholic board or a Mormon bulletin board and discuss their finances with them. |
I am concerned about it. I was concerned about during my time in the COG. I wrote a long email the General Overseer about it years ago.
Tithing is wrongly taught in many churches...not just the COG.
Jesus fulfilled the tithe, opened the windows of Heaven and poured out on us every blessing in Heavenly places.
Jesus was the firstborn offered, the firstfruits offered in the third year of His ministry.
Jesus was "meat in the storehouse" for the widow, the orphan, the alien and the Levite (with no inheritance). His flesh was meat indeed.
Jesus was tithe that lifted every curse and destroyed the works of the thief.
When we rely on any part of the law as our basis for blessing, we put ourselves back under that system of blessing and cursing and find ourselves obligated to keep the whole law or we get a curse.
When we rely on Jesus as the fulfillment of the law, we find ourselves blessed with believing Abraham and redeemed from the curse. See Gal 3:1-9.
I simply asked questions about Tim Hill's statements. You can stick your head in the sand, stick your fingers in your ears and throw rocks at me...or you can think. Is God selling blessing? Or, when He gave us Christ, did He freely give us ALL things?
Rom 8:32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
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Hey Brad,
I really have no beef with you but your seemingly constant correction of CoG teachings and leaders makes me believe you feel you are right when everybody else is wrong. Has God called you to save the CoG membership?
Not trying to pick a fight but I have to ask why you feel the urge to continue picking apart everything CoG?
If you don't believe in tithing and you are not part of a system that does then why continue to argue against it? |
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That God is selling blessings. Seed time and harvest may be principles that farmers live by,but God does not require us to sow a financial seed in order to obtain a blessing from Him. That is WOF heresy.
I do believe in giving abundantly to the Lord's work,call it tithes,offerings,or whatever. I also believe that if I am faithful to God in all things, He will supply my needs.
I have been without food because I took the weekly grocery money and paid my tithe,only to see a car pull into my driveway with sacks of food. I never once considered that blessing came as a result of me tithing,but because I was trying to live faithfully in ALL things.
I am convinced that if I had no money to give that I would still be blessed for two primary reasons: 1) because of what Christ has already done for me,and 2) because I am committed to serving Him irrespective of my financial situation.
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bradfreeman |
| wayne wrote: | Hey Brad,
I really have no beef with you but your seemingly constant correction of CoG teachings and leaders makes me believe you feel you are right when everybody else is wrong. Has God called you to save the CoG membership?
Not trying to pick a fight but I have to ask why you feel the urge to continue picking apart everything CoG?
If you don't believe in tithing and you are not part of a system that does then why continue to argue against it? |
Thanks Wayne,
It may seem like I constantly correct or pick apart CoG teachings. But I would encourage you to look at the volume of my posts on here, especially my lack of participation in the VAST majority of posts concerning CoG teaching and you'll see that just isn't happening. There are currently at least 5 threads on page 1 that involve CoG teaching that I have not posted in...and won't. But any time I do, you can count on the same several folks acting like it's constant. It just isn't.
Most of Church of God teaching is biblical. Some isn't.
As for my call, it is to share the word of reconciliation, the Gospel, with everyone. The sower doesn't worry about whether the seed is being sown on the path, in the rocks, in the weeds or good soil. He sows. I don't avoid sowing into someone's life because they belong to the CoG. I sow.
I'm not called to save anyone. Jesus does that. I'm just sharing the Good News that Jesus paid the price to open the windows of Heaven, not me.
I simply believe the current teaching by many independents and denoms on tithing is old covenant, money-motivated, scare-tactic teaching that misrepresents a generous God who freely gives us all things.
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| FLRon wrote: | I also believe that if I am faithful to God in all things, He will supply my needs.
I have been without food because I took the weekly grocery money and paid my tithe,only to see a car pull into my driveway with sacks of food. I never once considered that blessing came as a result of me tithing,but because I was trying to live faithfully in ALL things. |
Do you believe He will supply your needs if you are unfaithful in some things?
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experience has proven God to be faithful even when we are unfaithful.
I believe in common grace!
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| Re: What do you believe about Tim Hill's "if's?" |
krista |
| bradfreeman wrote: | From Tim Hill's "Tithe of Tithe" Special Message:
| Quote: | Those early church fathers rightfully believed that if believers
could be blessed by tithing, then a corporate blessing could also be on the local church if it also tithed. |
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?
Or are we blessed "if" we tithe?
Please provide scripture for your views. |
Please guys, don't get into discussion with freeman about our Overseer. In my opinion, he does not have the right to mention our Leader about any issue.
Again, please don't get involved with this thread.
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| bradfreeman wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | Even if you don't believe in tithing, the Word say we will reap what we sow. If we sow a little, we will reap a little. If we sow a lot, we reap a lot. This is even a physical reality. Do we want a 12 x 12 garden or a bumper crop?
I don't believe if you give $1, you'll get $4 or $100 back necessarily, but I do believe when you need it, God will see that you have it. He is faithful!
When you bless others who need it, the blessing returns to you. They even teach you in the secular world to "give back." When you give out of a pure heart because it is the right thing to do, God will bless that. It makes sense that it would work corporately too. |
Thanks Carolyn,
Sowers sow seed. Seed is the "word of the kingdom" according to Jesus. In the context of 2 Cor 8,9, Paul is encouraging the Corinthians to give to needy folks and expect a harvest for their efforts.
2 Cor 9:10 Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness; 11 you will be enriched in everything for all liberality, which through us is producing thanksgiving to God.
The harvest of our righteousness is "thanksgiving to God." The people who receive the seed God "supplies" us with will recognize God as the source of their help (without those who need help sowing) and thank Him!
It is not us who sow or labor (whether the seed is the Word or a gift), it is God in us sowing...apart from Him, we can do nothing.
Jesus plainly taught that we don't have to sow or reap, toil or spin to get our Father's care...when we need it.
Mat 6:26 Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’
You rightly said we don't give $1 and expect $30, $60 or $100. If that were truly a church's belief then churches need to be giving to people, not people to churches. |
There is more than one kind of seed, Brad. And we are not birds. It seems to me the point of the scripture here is more not to worry than about sowing & reaping.
Let's look at the other scripture in 2 Corinthians 9:
5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation.
6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
9 As it is written: "He has dispersed abroad, He has given to the poor; His righteousness endures forever."
10 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness,
11 while you are enriched in everything for all liberality, which causes thanksgiving through us to God.
12 For the administration of this service not only supplies the needs of the saints, but also is abounding through many thanksgivings to God,
13 while, through the proof of this ministry, they glorify God for the obedience of your confession to the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal sharing with them and all men,
14 and by their prayer for you, who long for you because of the exceeding grace of God in you.
15 Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!
Unless I am badly mistaken, Paul is talking here about a generous gift they have prepared for him, a financial gift.
The version you posted says in vs 10 "Now He...will supply..." as though it is a statement of fact, but the NKJV says, "Now may He who supplies..." as though the writer is praying or speaking a blessing. Now may He...supply and multiply the seed you have sown AND increase the fruits of your righteousness..." He is asking God to supply and multiply the seed they have sown AND increase the fruits of their righteousness. One is not exclusive of the other.
I do believe in tithing, and I do believe there is a blessing associated with tithing. But it is not just the giving of the money that brings blessing...it is the giving of your tithe WITH FAITH.
I don't tithe because I can afford it. The world teaches that we should "pay ourselves first" by putting a tenth in our savings account of 401k. Our finances have never been great, but when I give my tithe to God, I honor Him not just with my finances but with my faith. If I put Him and His Kingdom's work first, then He will see to it that my needs are met.
You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but I've seen the results of my lack of faith, when I have been afraid to tithe because of pressing needs. Almost invariably, if I use that money for something else instead of tithe, another bill will come up unexpectedly that week. Someone will get sick or the car will break down, and almost the exact amount that would have gone out in tithes goes out in another unexpected way.
People like to say Jesus never talked about tithes, but He said this in Matthew 23:23, " Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone."
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| krista wrote: | Please guys, don't get into discussion with freeman about our Overseer. In my opinion, he does not have the right to mention our Leader about any issue.
Again, please don't get involved with this thread.
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| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | There is more than one kind of seed, Brad. And we are not birds. It seems to me the point of the scripture here is more not to worry than about sowing & reaping. |
Jesus is telling His listeners that, if God cares for birds and flowers without them sowing or reaping or toiling or spinning, He will surely do it for us.
I agree that any expression of the love of God in us toward others can sow the message of His love into their hearts. But Jesus clearly taught that the seed is a message (see the parable of the sower).
As for 2 Cor 8 and 9, Paul start in 8:1 by reminding the Corinthians how the afflicted church in Macedonia had generously given to "the support of the saints" and how the Corinthians had pledged to do the same. This is the crux of these 2 chapters. It's about how the Corinthians generous support of the saints will reap a harvest of thanksgiving from those who were struggling.
| Quote: | | I do believe in tithing, and I do believe there is a blessing associated with tithing. But it is not just the giving of the money that brings blessing...it is the giving of your tithe WITH FAITH. |
There is no blessing that comes from keeping the law, only a curse. The law is simply not of faith.
Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
There is a blessing associated with Jesus fulfilling the tithe and opening the windows of Heaven for us.
| Quote: | | I don't tithe because I can afford it. The world teaches that we should "pay ourselves first" by putting a tenth in our savings account of 401k. Our finances have never been great, but when I give my tithe to God, I honor Him not just with my finances but with my faith. If I put Him and His Kingdom's work first, then He will see to it that my needs are met. |
What scripture do you use to define what your tithe is, when to give it?
| Quote: | | People like to say Jesus never talked about tithes, but He said this in Matthew 23:23, " Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone." |
I never say Jesus didn't talk about tithing. He told law-keepers that they should be keeping the law. He also told them they should show themselves to a Levite offer an animal sacrifice when they are healed:
Mat 8:4 And Jesus said to him, “See that you say nothing to anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a proof to them.”
He never told anyone to break the law of Moses. Where does Paul mention it, or Peter, or John? How come the Acts 15 counsel didn't tell the Gentiles they needed to tithe?
You cannot buy blessing. God isn't selling. He freely gives us all things.
Luke 12:32 “Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
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