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Resident Skeptic |
You seem to assume that being a Trump supporter is a factor in every thought we have. I'm 52. Is it not possible that life experience had molded my opinions long before Trump was ever a factor in politics? Your comment just proves your own short-sided bigotry.
I was a social worker for short time. I have been working in public high schools since 2005. Some things I've witnessed have cast doubt on the staunch positions I used to take on issues like this. For example, I know a 14 year old 8th grader right now, fully developed physically, blonde hair , blue eyes, that could easily pass for a 19 year old. With her legal guardian's permission, she is dating a 27 year old. I overheard her telling a group of friends in the classroom about her very active sex-life with this man. Her guardian (grandmother) just loves the young man and is OK with their having sex. As soon as she turns 16, her grandmother is going to sign the emancipation papers just so this 27 year old boyfriend does not get in trouble.
Now I suppose I could report all of this to Child Protective Services. But why should I? In fact, as disgusting and sick as all of this is, if I was on a jury right now in a trial to convict that boyfriend of statutory rape, I'd vote not guilty. I see no value in destroying the guy's life and wasting tax-payer money, all because this girl has a stupid family.
Before you get on a soap-box, please tell me if you think your 25 year old some (for example) should go to jail if he was seduced by a 16 year old and succumbed to temptation. Does he deserve to be labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life? I think not.
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| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
Before you get on a soap-box, please tell me if you think your 25 year old some (for example) should go to jail if he was seduced by a 16 year old and succumbed to temptation. Does he deserve to be labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life? I think not. |
What about a 35 year-old? What would be the difference in who is to blame? |
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11/10/17 1:05 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | You seem to assume that being a Trump supporter is a factor in every thought we have. |
I'm not sure why I would think that. 
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Before you get on a soap-box, please tell me if you think your 25 year old some (for example) should go to jail if he was seduced by a 16 year old and succumbed to temptation. Does he deserve to be labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life? I think not. |
I think there are places where statutory rape laws aren't the best. For example, an 18 year old who becomes a sex offender for having consensual sex with his 16 or 17 year old girlfriend. 25 to 16 is well into the range of something that should be considered a statutory crime, just based on the age and maturity difference, IMO... that'd be in the gray area, maybe, but any more than that and it starts to get clear.
Fortunately, though, that's not at all relevant to what we're talking about. We're not talking about whether Moore is a criminal who should register as a sex offender if the allegations are true, we're talking about whether he is qualified to be a United States Senator if the allegations are true.
You apparently believe the answer is that he is qualified, is that correct? |
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Resident Skeptic |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | You seem to assume that being a Trump supporter is a factor in every thought we have. |
I'm not sure why I would think that.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Before you get on a soap-box, please tell me if you think your 25 year old some (for example) should go to jail if he was seduced by a 16 year old and succumbed to temptation. Does he deserve to be labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life? I think not. |
I think there are places where statutory rape laws aren't the best. For example, an 18 year old who becomes a sex offender for having consensual sex with his 16 or 17 year old girlfriend. 25 to 16 is well into the range of something that should be considered a statutory crime, just based on the age and maturity difference, IMO... that'd be in the gray area, maybe, but any more than that and it starts to get clear.
Fortunately, though, that's not at all relevant to what we're talking about. We're not talking about whether Moore is a criminal who should register as a sex offender if the allegations are true, we're talking about whether he is qualified to be a United States Senator if the allegations are true.
You apparently believe the answer is that he is qualified, is that correct? |
Absolutely he is qualified. He has proven it. Questionable charges from left-wing conspirators don't change that.
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11/10/17 1:10 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | Let's say it happened. If she had been in an affair with a liberal Democrat, she most likely would never tell because of her own ideological bent,... |
Why are you saying that? Corfman is said to have voted Republican in the last 3 presidential elections.
And no, I'm not going to give someone who was an assistant district attorney a pass for not knowing the age of consent law in Alabama, which at the time and still is 16. Good grief! |
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11/10/17 1:28 pm
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bonnie knox |
And a word about pedophilia--I believe that would best be used to describe the unnatural sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children.
I would not apply that word to use what is alleged to have happened here. |
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | The left has an issue with automatically believing any allegation of sexual misconduct |
Oh, I don't think they gave much credence to Juanita Broaddrick. |
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11/10/17 1:33 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | Fortunately, though, that's not at all relevant to what we're talking about. We're not talking about whether Moore is a criminal who should register as a sex offender if the allegations are true, we're talking about whether he is qualified to be a United States Senator if the allegations are true. |
Would you vote for him if you believed the allegations are true (if you were in Alabama)? |
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11/10/17 1:37 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Absolutely he is qualified. He has proven it. Questionable charges from left-wing conspirators don't change that. |
That's not what I asked.
If the allegations were true, would it disqualify him from being a US Senator?
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11/10/17 1:39 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Oh, I don't think they gave much credence to Juanita Broaddrick. |
That's very true. |
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Resident Skeptic |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Absolutely he is qualified. He has proven it. Questionable charges from left-wing conspirators don't change that. |
That's not what I asked.
If the allegations were true, would it disqualify him from being a US Senator? |
This late in the game I would vote for him.
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It is silly to defend this guy - or destroy him until we see more of the facts.
But if he really had a pattern of trying to get 14 year olds - he is a dirtbag - and should not be elected to anything.
That tired old story of she looked 18 doesn't cut it. Maybe he really only defends 9 commandments.
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Resident Skeptic |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | It is silly to defend this guy - or destroy him until we see more of the facts.
But if he really had a pattern of trying to get 14 year olds - he is a dirtbag - and should not be elected to anything.
That tired old story of she looked 18 doesn't cut it. Maybe he really only defends 9 commandments. |
Or maybe would should remember what happened to Herman Cain and support Roy Moore.
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11/10/17 6:40 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
A poster on another forum had this to say....
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Typically child molesters do not molest one child. It is a serial thing. The Washington Post has put a lot of effort in getting Moore's opponent elected. It sounds like Moore ( when he was in his 30's) asked a 16 year old out - it has not been stated if he knew she was 16- with the right make up and attitude it is not tough for most 16 year olds to pass as older.
It also has been said he asked an 18 year old out - age of legal consent , both the 16 and 18 year old said no and that was the end of it . Getting asked out is not harassment, it is getting asked out . We have one 40 something telling a story about something that allegedly happened 30 years ago. No real pattern of others.
On the other side we have the Washington Post putting a lot of energy into getting the opponent elected. We have the progressive left showing ads of Gillespie in Virginia in a car or jeep chasing Hispanic Down, we have Bork - which has his own definition in the dictionary because of what the left did to him. We have Clarence Thomas , JC Watts, Caine , Romney all accused.
We have the lies on Uranium one , Benghazi , emails. There isn't the consistency to not believe Moore , there is the consistency of Washington Post to not believe them. As far as the woman, not all women tell the truth and not all women lie , that is why we have due process. |
As far as "due process" is concerned, the statutes of limitation have expired. Thus we have the known characters of the Post and of Moore to base a decision on. Moore wins.
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Cojak |
The man is toast. Right or wrong, he is toast. He gave an interview and said he did date young ladies from 16-19 . The man is 32-34 AT THE TIME. That might have floated when it happened, but it sounds tinny at this time.
YES, it could be a left wing attack, but in our country mentally (not leagally) the man is guilty if 4 different accusers pop up, he is toast. Mentally he is placed in a category with whatshisname (the movie producer or Hollywood mover) who just got shot down. Not fair, of course, but FACTs of life in the USA today!
And I have no idea if he is guilty or not. 
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chestnut ridge |
| Cojak wrote: | The man is toast. Right or wrong, he is toast. He gave an interview and said he did date young ladies from 16-19 . The man is 32-34 AT THE TIME. That might have floated when it happened, but it sounds tinny at this time.
YES, it could be a left wing attack, but in our country mentally (not leagally) the man is guilty if 4 different accusers pop up, he is toast. Mentally he is placed in a category with whatshisname (the movie producer or Hollywood mover) who just got shot down. Not fair, of course, but FACTs of life in the USA today!
And I have no idea if he is guilty or not. |
He also has some smoke around him concerning his charity. He seems to be tone deaf.
He was assistant district attorney, appointed to the 16th circuit as a judge and ran for supreme count twice and won but only served 2 years each time
Not really impressive but he wraps himself around "conservative christian values"
hmmmm |
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11/11/17 8:24 am
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Resident Skeptic |
| chestnut ridge wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | The man is toast. Right or wrong, he is toast. He gave an interview and said he did date young ladies from 16-19 . The man is 32-34 AT THE TIME. That might have floated when it happened, but it sounds tinny at this time.
YES, it could be a left wing attack, but in our country mentally (not leagally) the man is guilty if 4 different accusers pop up, he is toast. Mentally he is placed in a category with whatshisname (the movie producer or Hollywood mover) who just got shot down. Not fair, of course, but FACTs of life in the USA today!
And I have no idea if he is guilty or not. |
He also has some smoke around him concerning his charity. He seems to be tone deaf.
He was assistant district attorney, appointed to the 16th circuit as a judge and ran for supreme count twice and won but only served 2 years each time
Not really impressive but he wraps himself around "conservative christian values"
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Sounds to me like your looking for an excuse now not to defend him. This man stood up for his State against the tyranny of the SCOTUS with their unconstitutional gay marriage decision. He did what State officers are supposed to do in defending their States from Federal overreach.
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chestnut ridge |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | chestnut ridge wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | The man is toast. Right or wrong, he is toast. He gave an interview and said he did date young ladies from 16-19 . The man is 32-34 AT THE TIME. That might have floated when it happened, but it sounds tinny at this time.
YES, it could be a left wing attack, but in our country mentally (not leagally) the man is guilty if 4 different accusers pop up, he is toast. Mentally he is placed in a category with whatshisname (the movie producer or Hollywood mover) who just got shot down. Not fair, of course, but FACTs of life in the USA today!
And I have no idea if he is guilty or not. |
He also has some smoke around him concerning his charity. He seems to be tone deaf.
He was assistant district attorney, appointed to the 16th circuit as a judge and ran for supreme count twice and won but only served 2 years each time
Not really impressive but he wraps himself around "conservative christian values"
hmmmm |
Sounds to me like your looking for an excuse now not to defend him. This man stood up for his State against the tyranny of the SCOTUS with their unconstitutional gay marriage decision. He did what State officers are supposed to do in defending their States from Federal overreach. |
He broke the law.
This is my state and this is my vote for senate.
He also is known as the 10 commandment judge. Because he would not remove the commandments after being told to do so.
He broke the law
He never challenged Sessions or Shelby. He saw an opening (opportunity) A lot of people will vote Moore because he is GOP but do not like him. Sure he beat Strange but he ran to drain the swap.
I wonder if he will ride his horse to the capital |
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Resident Skeptic |
| chestnut ridge wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | chestnut ridge wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | The man is toast. Right or wrong, he is toast. He gave an interview and said he did date young ladies from 16-19 . The man is 32-34 AT THE TIME. That might have floated when it happened, but it sounds tinny at this time.
YES, it could be a left wing attack, but in our country mentally (not leagally) the man is guilty if 4 different accusers pop up, he is toast. Mentally he is placed in a category with whatshisname (the movie producer or Hollywood mover) who just got shot down. Not fair, of course, but FACTs of life in the USA today!
And I have no idea if he is guilty or not. |
He also has some smoke around him concerning his charity. He seems to be tone deaf.
He was assistant district attorney, appointed to the 16th circuit as a judge and ran for supreme count twice and won but only served 2 years each time
Not really impressive but he wraps himself around "conservative christian values"
hmmmm |
Sounds to me like your looking for an excuse now not to defend him. This man stood up for his State against the tyranny of the SCOTUS with their unconstitutional gay marriage decision. He did what State officers are supposed to do in defending their States from Federal overreach. |
He broke the law.
This is my state and this is my vote for senate.
He also is known as the 10 commandment judge. Because he would not remove the commandments after being told to do so.
He broke the law
He never challenged Sessions or Shelby. He saw an opening (opportunity) A lot of people will vote Moore because he is GOP but do not like him. Sure he beat Strange but he ran to drain the swap.
I wonder if he will ride his horse to the capital |
Apparently, you do not understand that the Framers intended State officers to do just what Moore did when unlawful Federal intrusion warrants it. Federal laws or court rulings that violate the Constitution are not laws at all and must be resisted. You should be proud of Moore. Unless more State officers start doing what Moore did, your grandchildren will be living in a communist country before too long.
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Cojak |
All I am saying is in your thirties if you feel a need to date teens it APPEARS strange NOW. No matter how it looked 40 years ago, the opposition KNOWS how 'odd' this sounds brought up at this time in history. I am not judging right or wrong. Just stating facts of politics. Bringing that up was like Hillary's group mentioning RUSSIA! It caught on and will haunt Trump forever.
These charges will haunt Moore from now on, and be a distractor. I am not there, I won't vote one way or the other but my common sense tells me the man is toast, politically!
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